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  CREATIVE "DAYS" - What do JWs believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

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  a few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).

  it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.

  the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  OK, let me try this again:

  FACT: JWs teach that "day" seven can be used to infer the approximate length of the other six creative "days".

  FACT: JWs teach that "day" seven is 7000 years long (or something every close to that). They refer to this length of time, correctly, as being "thousands" of years.

  FACT: JWs teach that each of the six creative "days" was "thousands" of years long. Based on the understanding of "thousands", noted above, these "days" were probably somehting like 7000 years each, or perhaps a bit longer.

  FACT: JWs never describe the six creative "days" (or even the entire creative period) as being billions of years, millions of years, hundreds of thousands of years, or tens of thousands of years long. They do, however, use these expressions to describe the age of the universe and "formless" Earth.

  FACT: "Billions of years" and "millions of years" are frequently used to describe the "false" teachings of science: evolution, geologic time scale, geologic column, etc...

  CONCLUSION: JWs actually teach that each creative "day" was something like 7000 years long.
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  CREATIVE "DAYS" - What do JWs believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).

  it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.

  the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  So, in summery, based on what I’ve seen:

  FACT: JWs have always taught that "day" seven can be used to infer the length of the other days. This has been explicitly stated as recent as 1998 (see Creator Book, quoted above). Nothing has been published that contradicts or revises this teaching.

  FACT: If the "end" comes as soon as JWs say it will, "day" seven will end up being about 7000 years long.

  FACT: All six creative days are described as encompasing "thousands" of years each. The only reason for this slightly vague choice of words is that JWs cannot pinpoint the date of the beginning of “day” seven (something they once tried to do: 1975 fiasco) and therefore cannot know exactly how long it will end up being.

  FACT: Neither the expression "billions of years" nor "millions of years" has ever been applied to the creative days. Both expressions, however, are routinely applied to the age of the universe and "formless" Earth.

  FACT: "Billions of years" and "millions of years" are frequently used to describe the "false" teachings of science: evolution, geologic time scale, geologic column, etc...

  CONCLUSION: JWs actually teach that each creative "day" was something like 7000 years long.

  Based on JW literature, both past and preasent, I don't think it is possible to come to any other conclusion. And, I'm not even sure JWs are trying to hide it.
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  CREATIVE "DAYS" - What do JWs believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).

  it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.

  the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  Thanks for your replies! I can see that the heading of my post is probably misleading...

  What I'd realy like to know is if all seven creative "days" were the same length. As far as I can tell, that is what JWs teach. If so, they would all be about 7000 years...
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  CREATIVE "DAYS" - What do JWs believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).

  it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.

  the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  Hi all,

  A few weeks ago, I asked you to critique my website article on Dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/). It was pointed out that much of what I wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something I believe JWs teach.

  After being prompted to review my conclusions/research, I was more convinced than ever that JWs promote relatively short creative “days”. The nail in the coffin was the teaching that “day” seven is indicative of the length of the other six “days” (i.e.: about 7000 years).

  “ The fact is, the Bible reveals that the creative “days,” or ages, encompass thousands of years.
  
  A person can see this from what the Bible says about the seventh “day.” The record of each of the first six “days” ends saying,‘and there came to be evening and morning, a first day,’ and so on. Yet, you will not find that comment after the record of the seventh “day.” And in the first century C.E., some 4,000 years downstream in history, the Bible referred to the seventh rest “day” as still continuing. So the seventh “day” was a period spanning thousands of years, and we can logically conclude the same about the first six “days.” ”

  - Creator book, 1998

  But then I thought: What if JWs no longer subscribe to that idea? I can’t find anything in print that would indicate as much…

  So, do JWs teach that the creative “days” were all different lengths, or all the same length? Have they published anything that would conclusively reverse their previous teaching?

  FYI: I have outlined my research and conclusions about the creative “days” here: http://www.jwbeliefs.com/jehovahs-witnesses-believe-creative-days/ Again, it is a work in progress and I appreciate any suggestions/corrections/comments.
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  Origin of Black Skin - JW.org Noah Movie

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
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  i've never seen this discussed here, so thought i'd bring it up:.

  as far as i can figure, jehovah's witnesses no longer teach that black skin is the result of a curse from god.

  instead, they seem to teach that canaan was already dark skinned when his father, ham, brought the curse of servitude upon their family.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  I've never seen this discussed here, so thought I'd bring it up:

  As far as I can figure, Jehovah's Witnesses no longer teach that black skin is the result of a curse from God. Instead, they seem to teach that Canaan was already dark skinned when his father, Ham, brought the curse of servitude upon their family. Ham, evidently is believed to have had black skin.

  In the movie "Noah - He Walked With God", Noah, his wife, and two sons are depicted as white skinned. The third son, Ham, is pictured as a black man. It would seem that Jehovah's Witnesses believe two white people produced the first black person and thus the entire "black race", which just happened to be cursed by God.

  Am I reading too much into the movie? I think not, because JWs always boast about how much effort they put into thier productions. Casting a black man as Ham, seems awfuly deliberate... and has disturbig racial implications, I think.

  

  NOAH & WIFE

  

  SON #1

  

  HAM, NOAH, SON #2
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  Finally Gave My First Anti-Witness After 11 Years

  by new light in

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  hello one and all.. the local jws had a booth set up at my university today and something just came over me.

  i went to a computer, found a list of failed prophecies, printed and stapled it, and walked over to the middle aged woman and the 10-ish years old girl.

  the woman said "if you are interested in anything, take it for free.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  One of the most important seeds planted in my mind came from a houdeholder in service. He asked: "shouldn't Abraham have said 'NO!' when God asked him to cut up his son and burn the body?". I agreed, and left.
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  DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
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  as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.

  im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.

  http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  I tracked it down...

  From the brochure "Enjoy Life on Earth Forever!", 1982:

  

  Original picture from "My Book of Bible Stories", 1978:

  

  It would seem that they removed the woman holding a baby and added extra lightning, more people drowning, and a dinosaur or two (at least, that sure looks like a dinosaur...)!
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  DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.

  im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.

  http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  Apognophos, thanks for making me think!

  My understanding of the physics of the water canopy is as follows: Material can either orbit the earth or bear directly on it (I'm unaware of a third option). Therefore, water can either orbit the earth (something like the ice rings of Saturn) or ‘float’ in the atmosphere (something like clouds and vapour), which in turn bears directly on Earth’s surface. If the water canopy existed toward the outer reaches of our atmosphere (not actually very high up at all), it would indeed turn to ice fall straight down.

  As for the effect on carbon dating - I’m going to have to re-think that… my head hurts.

  Also, you have made me seriously doubt the 7000 year thing. Maybe they do intend to allow for millions of years. It’s just that, a simple reading of their literature gives such a different impression...
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  DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.

  im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.

  http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  HowTheBibleWasCreated

  OOOO! That is too good. Must. Find. Brochure.
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  DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.

  im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.

  http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.

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  Bloody Hotdogs!

  Apognophos,

  Continuing to think out loud… If JWs mean to indicate that the creative “days” were "thousands of thousands" of years long, they surely do not mean the same for “day” seven. This would indicate that the “days” of the creative week are not the same length! Now, JWs have never said that, have they? I know they say that events started in one day overlapped into the others, but they never indicate the days are different lengths.

  Also, millions of years would not be “thousands” of years, by any traditional or mathmatical definition of the term "thousands". I suppose they could mean 999,999 years…. This is all so stupid.